I think Vitrol d'Oeillet has an interesting Black Dahlia era retro feel yet it's definitely a modern fragrance as opposed to classic carnation perfumes.
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I am so curious about Vitriol d'oeillet. I can't say that I have ever noticed the carnation having a particular scent, which must be for the reason you mention, that this flower is most often found in sad bouquets at the petrol station. In Denmark, the word for carnation and clove is actually the same 'nellike'. I remember Perdita's disapproval of carnations in "The Winter's Tale"; poor much-maligned flowers. Nevertheless I've always been fond of them, especially as the slips you can easily obtain from the carnations in your bouquet will often grow if you plant them promptly enough. Very obliging plants.
Denyse, how unisex would you say the fragrance is? Are there any masculine tones to it? That being said, I enjoy wearing Bas de Soie myself, so I'm not the best judge. Along with narcissus, my other favorite soliflore note, I enjoy carnation because it is so maligned. I have an rather pathological impetus towards the underdog, as I think I have mentioned before here. Please enter me in the draw, I'd love to sample this. Billy, if I may add my two cents worth to this thread, VdO can be considered unisex but more on the feminine side, it's a floral that gets sweeter with a slight cosmetic powdery note in the fond.
Serge Noire is more appropriate and interesting for men in my opinion. Love your review and looking forward to trying this sooner I hope! Carnations were common when I was growing up and I liked them. I remember some lovely white ones in particular. To me, there was something edible about the scent and tender texture of the petals - I always wanted to bite into them! Emma, clove oil is the thing that contains eugenol, so pepper and pimento were called in as a backup.
You're right that it's easier to carry off than Serge Noire, and it does have that powdery-soapy retro vibe, like Bas de Soie, but warmer. Asali, I believe MemoryofScent said the same thing about Greek, that clove and carnation are the same word. I've read that carnations were used to spice wine just as cloves were in England in either the Middle Ages or the Renaissance Wonder whether there's a carnation liqueur?
Anna, I didn't remember that from Shakespeare And you're in. Billy, if you wear Bas de Soie I don't see why you couldn't carry this off. After all, I think Floris Malmaison was sold in the masculine line, wasn't it? And let's hear it for the underdogs! Nozknoz, I know what you mean about that edible quality.
I wonder if white carnations are more fragrant? I've often noticed that the white varieties often are, at least it's the case for stock and freesia. I've also been wearing CdG's Carnation for quite a while. I can't wait to try this one. I haven't tried CdG's Carnation in ages, thanks for reminding me. Like a few others have said here, I think most carnations sold in Sweden are scentless, I'll have to go to some florists tomorrow to check it out!
Swedish has the same word for both clove and carnation as Danish- nejlika a very pretty word I think! I'd love to particioate in the draw, Eva S Sweden. I would love to try this! Carnations remind me of 2nd grade science fair experiments- Most kids who couldn't think of anything original went for the classic "Can a white carnation change color if I put food dye in its water? D, strangely, I frequently gave an old high school girlfriend carnations, because they were cheap, and come on - not THAT ugly, right?
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Over time, they became sentimental and unique because no one else ever thought to gift them, and they did come from a genuine heart. Happily, you had already graduated. Is that why you ran away to Paris? Wait, I was supposed to say something about perfume Oh - Yes, this sounds fantastic! They are a maligned flower - people think they're a poor excuse for roses, but they have more spunk than roses, if you ask me. And I like spunky. I love carnations and their old-fashioned scent. Thanks for a tantalizing review of Vitriol d'Oeillet; it sounds beautiful.
My association with carnations is weirdly sensual compared with most other posts. I associate carnations with a Renaissance fair linen powder that was made from powdered dried carnation petals, rose and clove. At the time, it was a purchase of pure luxury and extravagance. Carnations smelled heady and were less expensive, and longer-lived than the roses I could afford. The local florist taught me to squeeze the green base of the bulb to find firm flowers that were more fresh, and would last and last on my student budget.
Simple pleasures at the time, but part of my growing fascination with scent. Thanks for hosting the drawing, and sharing your samples. Be well. For the last few years I've been like Goldilocks looking for the perfect carnation fragrance. Malmaison was too dry, vintage Bellodgia was gorgeous but too fancy for every day, CdG Carnation was too harsh and one-dimensional, etc.
Now I'm hoping this will be the one. No one grows carnations here in Northern California that I've ever seen, though carnations are used in yes, cheap bouquets. But I do see the tiny, charming, and fragrant pinks. I thought about planting some in my own garden, but they are so small, I'd have to lie on the ground to smell them. I'm another that is really interested in this launch.
For me, carnations connote Valentine's Day "flower-grams" when I was a child. Usually some group of parents or students would sell them as a fundraiser, and the flowers would be delivered on Valentine's Day during the first hour of school. The prettiest girls always got the most. What was a little sad for me then is sweet now, thinking of these people carefully trying to keep me from being left out.
Eva S, "nejlika" is a lovely word indeed German also has the same word for both, "nelke". I'm wondering if it has the same etymology as "nagel" which means "nail" Anyway, you're in! Oksana, did the science experiment work? That's what Oscar Wilde did, they say: dipped his white carnations in green ink Marcus, that's a sweet story, and what's not to love about a high school boy who goes through the trouble of offering flowers?
Amy, I didn't run away to Paris after the topless-at-the-Montreal-Ritz episode. But Sheena did become a punk rocker that very summer. Ariane, absolutely! I'm going through an Edith Wharton phase now and re-read "The Age of Innocence" a couple of weeks ago. It did make me want to re-do Madame Olenska's loose carnation bouquet. HemlockSillage, that bed linen powder must have been lovely. During my research, I read that carnations were indeed used for flavour in wines.
And I'll remember about the pinching. Nina Z, I went through that Goldilocks phase too about five years ago, and never did find the carnation of my dreams mainly because I got sidetracked, I think. Anotherperfumeblog, that's such a sweet memory When I was in primary school we all exchanged cards but no flowers, and then I went to an all-girl school so that was the end of Valentines. Carnation is a flower dense of political significance. My grandfather has been sporting one in his jackets ever since I know him, paired with a firy red tie. In name of the political ideas behind the delicate petals, he won a forced holiday trip to germany during WWII.
He survived, and devoted to the party symbolised by the soft smelling flower his life. My grandfather at 89 is still a handsome, tall, charming man; elegant and groomed and perfumed! We've had garofani in our house forever, they look unassuming, but they smell wonderful Zazie, what can I say? Bless your nonno, and "bella ciao". Really, carnation in wine? That's interesting. Asali, I think this goes back a few centuries I only learned about it by reading up on carnations for the post. I have always had a soft spot for carnations - they do seem to be a forgotten waif amongst the more refined floral bouquets.
But they have such a lovely, spicy-sweet aroma and hardiness that I can't help but admire their ragged beauty. Thanks again for another thoughtful review and the draw. Carnation is my birth month flower, and I've always loved its spicy-floral freshness though sadly, as someone else has remarked, most of the ones you can buy at the florist these days are scentless. Malmaison was truly wonderful sigh , and I'm delighted to see a high-level treatment of this lovely flower. It introduced me to the sweet but spicy scent of carnations and was one of the first scents I tried when I found the world of perfumery.
I mentioned how much I enjoyed the scent to the man who is now my fiance - he began to surprise me at regular intervals with bouquets of fragrant red carnations. So for me, carnations have come to represent love and passion so much more than the average red rose. Sean's Jo, after all these comments, I think the carnation gets a lot more love than we credit it with! Muse, I did quite like Malmaison as well but stupidly didn't buy it when it was still around, so all I've got is a decant But I'm really enjoying my Vitriol.
I love the whole dianthus family particularly what people in England refer to as clove pinks, my favourite is an old white variety called "Mrs Sinkins" with a knockout fragrance. It is definatly time for the carnation to be rehabilitated. Please count me in! Maureen, I think the pro-Dianthus movement is well under way. I love the spicy smell of carnations, and they make me think of my grandmother who grew some old-fashioned ones called pinks that had a wonderful, strong smell. Thank you for the drawing! I love carnations, but don't love all the carnation perfumes out there on the market.
Whenever I think of carnations, I think of one of the best meals I've ever had. While living in Portugal I took a weekend trip to a small fishing village. It was a holiday weekend commemorating the Carnation Revolution. I spent hours eating great fish dishes, drinking, and celebrating at a small shanty on the beach.
Every man present wore a big, lush, and striking red carnation in his lapel. The scene was spectacular. Such a memorable afternoon. I hitchhiked back home to Lisbon because I used the last of my money just to spend another night in the village. I wanted to visit that restaurant one more time.
Jam, I'll bet that's a memory you treasure. And clearly, it was worth hitchhiking for. I've loved the smell of the carnation since I was a child, and grow many different kinds in my garden with one stipulation: they have to be scented and not too clownish looking. They are sturdy perennials, cheerful and have so many uses - my favorite for wearing in my hair, since they last so long.
I love that sharp strange clove smell, and foxy Serge can recreate the forest of Where the Wild Things Are for me and make it sexy Filles en Aiguilles then I can hardly wait to see what he does with the humble Carnation! Intriguing review! I must say, I've been excited about this one since the first rumors emerged last year.
I feel rather fortunate after looking at all these associations: death, blood, political repression, career failure, dental pain. How bad can it be? As for myself, the scent of carnation is the smell of pinks on a Okanagan summer day. Not one whiff of negative association in my mind. On the other hand, I must say that more carnation fragrances fail than succeed to my fussy nose. Etro's, Villoresi's, and Ava Luxe's I found to be dull, powdery things; Comme des Garcons' just one step better but in the same vein.
I was disappointed by Bellodgia: it, too, was in this vein, but I was less surprised, as my mother wore this as her signature in her youth and tells me ''something about it changed in the early '80s and it didn't smell like carnation anymore, so I stopped wearing it'' Caron reformulations have been long at work, I suspect. Caron's Poivre from early s was a smooth, spicy oriental; delicious but not really a soliflore.
The newest formulation is an utterly different beast, an arid whip-crack of pepper and clove akin to Comme des Garcons Eau de Parfum, only with a rosy rather than honeyed drydown. DSH's Oeillet Rouge was a nice carnation candle in liquid form wax included, unfortunately. Floris Malmaison's black tea and cloves was genius, albeit not carnation, and sadly, discontinued. InCarnation captures a certain depth most carnations are lacking and makes it disturbing with a touch of animal but, like so many naturals, is hardly heady or long-lasting.
JAR Golconda is to my nose what Diorissimo is to muguet: jasmine takes these soliflores out of their typically chaste territory and make them voluptuous.
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For what it's worth, my mother said it smelled like old Bellodgia with jasmine added which annoyed her no end: she hates jasmine! Please add me to the draw, if there's still space! Katherine, I used to love wearing carnations in my hair in Seville before the jasmine season started They did last through the long nights of the Spring Fair!
Sugandaraja, thank you for this very thorough review of carnation perfumes on the market! I'll have to man up and go into that Parisian JAR boutique one day: so far I've found it quite forbidding. I haven't smelled the latest version of Poivre either because the last time I was in the Caron boutique on the avenue Montaigne, the lady wouldn't let me sample the urn extraits, then didn't seem interested in making a sale, so I just gave up Anyway, entries for the draw last until tonight, so you're in!
I came so late to this party, so I don't know if the draw is still open, but if I have any associations with carnation as a flower, they would surely be green, as well as more than slightly Wilde To me and to my nose, they embody the best and most memorable kind of flower - the kind that has Tarleisio, no, you're not too late Wilde is of course another reference, which I didn't pick up because I'd have needed at least two posts to cover everything!
Carnations will always remind me of my mother - she always grew pinks in the garden and introduced me to their smell - and loved all flowers and would be just as overjoyed by a bunch of carnations from a garage as a fancy bunch of roses - they were all beautiful to her. Violetsrose, then you must have lovely memories of carnations It also occurs to me to add Washington Tremlett's Clove Absolute as a decent carnation soliflore, as as some have noted, it's far less spicy and more floral than actual cloves. And - lucky you! I've only tried three and they've all been very good, if a touch quiet.
Well, you know, it's that typical living 20 minutes away from the Louvre and never going. Mind you, before they had huge queues because of security I used to pop in often just to visit a room or see the one painting In the case of JAR though, it's the whole ceremonial bit I've been told about that just raises my hackles Throwing my hat into the ring a little late, I guess.
I'm fascinated by the idea of a "villainous" carnation. I have a vintage bottle of Bellodgia EDT and certainly can only imagine it growing wild and dangerous. I also have some negative connotations with carnations as a flower.
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To me, they seem as vintage and cool as shag carpeting, or wood paneling. I am reminded that the carnation was the flower of choice for Mr. That does nothing to raise it, though, no matter how much I liked the Avengers Eric, no, not too late, you're in! And Mr Steed can make anything heaps cooler in my book, though less so than my childhood hero Mrs Peel.
I have loved carnations since I was a little girl. My godmother was an excellent gardener and grew carnations, gladiola, and many varieties of roses. I think of her and helping her in the garden whenever I see carnations. It's too bad that they don't seem to have a scent anymore. Also they seem to last forever in vase. I really like carnations! I'm perhaps too late but dropped by to say love to you, and I love carnation because it gives you the opportunity to weave the magic you did with that paragraph where you excavated its semantic and olfactory genealogy.
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